tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post5633900557229308716..comments2024-02-21T08:52:55.878+00:00Comments on Your Freedom and Ours: Just two stories on "Climategate"Helenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13799545178433498944noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-2697915624254353332009-12-03T09:28:46.000+00:002009-12-03T09:28:46.000+00:00It is possible that the IPCC authors did read 2350...It is possible that the IPCC authors did read 2350 correctly, but deciding that as this date was so far away as not to induce sufficient panic, decided (fraudulently) to use 2035.kevin kearneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-36737525509777847652009-12-03T00:14:21.000+00:002009-12-03T00:14:21.000+00:00I hope you have a very pleasant lunch, thespecialo...I hope you have a very pleasant lunch, thespecialone. :)<br /><br />Mikgen, you are right. These people's utter incompetence (can't even stage a decent conspiracy) beggars belief.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-36682871107818426852009-12-02T23:25:21.000+00:002009-12-02T23:25:21.000+00:00Helen, good hostess, I like your Nobel suggestion....Helen, good hostess, I like your Nobel suggestion. That's the way I'll vote.<br />Oh. Wait a sec. I don't get to vote.<br />Never mind.Bleeplessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-2439410552670386732009-12-02T22:38:20.000+00:002009-12-02T22:38:20.000+00:00This just gets better by the day...or is it the ho...This just gets better by the day...or is it the hour? I have argued so many times with young 20 something graduates (I didnt even go to university) that global warming is a scam. I was shouted down religously by these youngsters. I am out for a Christmas meal with them in a couple of weeks. After the wine has flowed.....I dont know what I will say :)thespecialonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-40594307811469954162009-12-02T14:48:12.000+00:002009-12-02T14:48:12.000+00:00Helen.
It is even worse than the commenter noted...Helen. <br /><br />It is even worse than the commenter noted. IPCC quotes the WWF report, but the original report is not quoted in that report either. Instead there is a reference to a 1999 report by the Working Group on Himalayan Glaciology (WGHG) of the International Commission for Snow and Ice (ICSI) where it was (according to WWF) stated: “glaciers in the Himalayas are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the livelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 is very high”.<br /><br />I haven't bothered to look for that last report, but at best the Kotlyakov reference (1996 UNESCO report) is finally found there. (And actually, that report is based on data from a publication by the same author in 1991 (in Russian).<br /><br />So at best the IPCC used as a source a tertiary or even quaternary source, and what about that vaunted "peer review"? <br /><br />This is no conspiracy, just total incompetence. But what do we expect from the UN?<br /><br />/MikgenGuestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-26220785018981233832009-12-02T01:34:53.000+00:002009-12-02T01:34:53.000+00:00The taxpayer money that has been flooding into cli...The taxpayer money that has been flooding into climate research is all but invisible in discussions of money bringing certain influences. I cannot explain this blindspot. It is massive. Money dished out by Government always comes with strings. It is the same with fake charities getting our money to moan at us via Government for things we have not asked for or demanded.<br /><br />Eisenhower's warnings of a "scientific-technological elite" have come true. Scientific endeavour is becoming a nationalised industry. That state interference drives science in the direction the state wants. It is depressing the observational and theoretical curiosities of old and turns science into a production line for arguments in favour of greater state intervention. We can see this with climate science being the justification for hundreds of thousands of 'green' jobs monitoring us, installing subsidised loft lagging, handing out subsidised CFL bulbs.<br /><br />How did this happen? Why did we let it happen?<br /><br />Some of this I think is a legacy of World War 2. That herculean effort of millions of individuals to defend Britain and beyond is somewhat lost under the Big Government command economy blanket that got us through it. The notion that the Man from the Ministry knows best is still ingrained to an insensible extent.<br /><br />For politicians the reasons are clear enough - science provides a justification for intervention, taxation and control. It also allows politicians to act with clear consciences - they no longer have to consider moral arguments or defend personal liberty, a boffin in a lab coat has told them something must be done! They hide behind the precautionary principle saying 'stop what you're doing unless we say it is safe' when it should be 'do as you are doing unless we prove it is unsafe'.Garethnoreply@blogger.com