tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post8811095282378042628..comments2024-02-21T08:52:55.878+00:00Comments on Your Freedom and Ours: UKIP is in the mediaHelenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13799545178433498944noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-66431047220206311262012-03-07T00:16:20.994+00:002012-03-07T00:16:20.994+00:00To be quite precise, UKIP has been around for almo...To be quite precise, UKIP has been around for almost 20 years and its predecessor, the Anti-Federalist League was set up in 1992. I know for I was there. And yes, they ought to have worked out by now what makes people vote or not vote but it is not too late to do so now. And the whole point of my posting is that there is now a fair bit of media coverage. UKIP people, for instance, get on Question Time with some regularity.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-38676337006828716972012-03-06T22:54:46.416+00:002012-03-06T22:54:46.416+00:00Totally agree, it's about time UKIP stopped si...Totally agree, it's about time UKIP stopped sitting on the sidelines and got into the main stream. <br /><br />Yes I know it doesn't help that the whole media ignores them, in fact I think the BNP gets more coverage. But there ignored because there is no backbone, UKIP are seen like a irritation.<br /><br />Helen, Ukip have been around for a few years now, if they by now have not worked out what makes people vote or not vote in a certain way, well more fool them, so why should anyone vote for a party that hasn't a clue?Yvenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-15753952626525080762012-03-06T21:36:54.608+00:002012-03-06T21:36:54.608+00:00Thank you for the analysis, HS.Thank you for the analysis, HS.Stephen MacLeannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-79384471262321262682012-03-06T14:51:10.431+00:002012-03-06T14:51:10.431+00:00I agree, Alfred. I also kind of agree with Chris P...I agree, Alfred. I also kind of agree with Chris Pain. However, I still think it would be a good idea for UKIP to try to work out what it is that makes people vote or not vote a certain way. I have written about it before on the blog. The fact is that turn-outs are now much lower than they were in the past yet, for some reason, people would rather stay at home than vote for UKIP. That is what the party has to examine and discuss.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-84487852397148811482012-03-06T14:25:30.367+00:002012-03-06T14:25:30.367+00:00"UKIP has the potential to change the face of...<i>"UKIP has the potential to change the face of British politics; it has had that potential for years but nothing much has happened."</i> Sadly, there seems to be no other force. If only Nigel Farage could recognise his real strengths, and he has some, and realise that leading this party is not one of them. The party has so much potential which is being stifled at present.Alfred the Ordinarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-14014020789154418192012-03-06T01:25:49.619+00:002012-03-06T01:25:49.619+00:00As I pointed out on Witterings from Witney the oth...As I pointed out on Witterings from Witney the other day, and many times before that, the main obstacle to UKIP (or indeed any other small right wing party) winning elections or seats is the Conservative party and tribal voting. It doesn't matter what UKIPs' strategy is, so long as the Tories lurch on and absorb millions of votes from people who will vote for them whatever they say or do, then nothing will change.<br /><br />This is not to say that a change in UKIP strategy will have absolutely no impact whatsoever - it would - but we are talking mere percentage points, not election victories or probably even parliamentary seats.<br /><br />As for your point about UKIP attracting the young through libertarianism, then that seems perfectly true and fair. I continue to consider libertarian support amongst today's youth as akin to previous generations' youth support for Labour and leftism (by leftism in this case I am referring to economic statism and social liberalism). They are libertarians these days because of what the ideology is not rather than what it is.<br /><br />Labour and the statist Left are so abundant these days that they are no longer anti-establishment (though of course it's adherents like to believe otherwise). The Left and it's ideas are in fact the establishment now and their views prevail in this country. Libertarianism is thus the new ideology of the rebellious youth, for those who cannot bring themselves to be (heaven forbid) conservatives (also wrongly still viewed as an establishment view - which ceased to be so decades ago).<br /><br />Not explained as precisely as I might like, I admit, but I am writing this on my phone, it is late and my fingers are tired. I will continue tomorrow if necessary and able!Chris Palmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-49176407753603939672012-03-05T20:38:01.634+00:002012-03-05T20:38:01.634+00:00When you have done so, WfW, I trust you will post ...When you have done so, WfW, I trust you will post it so we can all link to it. I am a great believer in letting other people do the work. :)<br /><br />As for the unnamed Guest, may I suggest that it is a little bit unimpressive to post sarcastic comments anonymously.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-6194445438320977312012-03-05T20:18:33.486+00:002012-03-05T20:18:33.486+00:00Why doesn't Doctor 'up' North start hi...Why doesn't Doctor 'up' North start his own party? With Helen's winning formula it's bound to be a walk in the park.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-38678273576099472302012-03-05T19:28:49.941+00:002012-03-05T19:28:49.941+00:00Helen, I am already scarred from the attacks of th...Helen, I am already scarred from the attacks of the 'Faragistas', so any more will have no effect!<br /><br />Afterthought, I should have posted as WitteringsfromWitney - my apologies.<br /><br />I am in the process of 'dissecting' their 'New' policy document.......... the sycophantic comments on twitter and postings on Ukip blogs I find quite amusing and sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-62997070421367465872012-03-05T18:21:39.000+00:002012-03-05T18:21:39.000+00:00Um, you might experience an attack or two, Guest f...Um, you might experience an attack or two, Guest from the Faragistas who think nobody should be allowed to criticize their idol. Or his party.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4057487038565855826.post-64721385602375689182012-03-05T18:15:30.000+00:002012-03-05T18:15:30.000+00:00Helen,
In respect of your last paragraph, when I ...Helen,<br /><br />In respect of your last paragraph, when I was a member I tried to impress that on the Party, but to no avail. The problem is that Ukip do not understand the word 'strategy' - they think it is spelled F A R A GE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com